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Post by Buckfever on Dec 22, 2005 0:13:04 GMT -5
I shot 5 times today, spaced out throughout the day. 2 groups of 5 each with the Outback and the XT. Same stab on both. I don't know what to say. The more I shoot them side by side, the more I like the Outback.
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Post by Buckfever on Dec 22, 2005 20:37:30 GMT -5
Finally, on day 4, I've started shooting as well and perhaps slightly better with the XT. I was starting to think it wasn't going to happen. I've gotten used to the draw cycle so I bottomed it out and boy is it hammering those arrows in there. I swear these bows are like women, each one likes something a little different. The XT likes to be held a little more firmly and then she'll please you.
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Post by ncboman on Dec 22, 2005 22:18:26 GMT -5
just from following your post, I get the feeling the outback is more forgiving and perhaps a better choice in hunting situations?
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Post by Buckfever on Dec 23, 2005 0:03:59 GMT -5
"just from following your post, I get the feeling the outback is more forgiving and perhaps a better choice in hunting situations?"
nc, it doesn't make any sense. On paper the XT should be the more forgiving platform. It has a longer riser, a hair more brace height, less reflex. It should be the more forgiving bow, it even holds better, it is more accurate for sure. But that damned Outback the way it balances, I can pick it up after 2 weeks of not shooting and absolutely drill them. So either the balance on the Outback just plain works for me, or the feel of that bow is so burned in that I can't shoot anything else quite as easily right now.
The other thing though is that I haven't quite shot the XT in yet and put it back to specs nor tuned it. But even so I think that I expected more from it right off.
Tonight I shot them fast and loose 4 groups of 5 each. It was unbelievable how much faster I could put it on the mark and let her rip with the Outback. And the groups were tight.
I'll stick with it and we'll see how it goes.
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Post by Buckfever on Dec 27, 2005 1:15:09 GMT -5
The XT has been shot in and put back to specs. The string is tracking straight off the idler, visually at full draw and using arrow against the idler check, the arrow bisects the string at the level of the nock point. With the bow bottomed out the ATA is a hair under 31 on the one side and a hair over 31 on the other side, I would say that the difference is about 1/32nd total. The brace height is a hair over 7-9/16th. The bow has a 28.5" draw and bottoms out at 75lbs, for tuning I had it backed off half a turn, I'm figuring right around 72.5lbs. I tuned using a goldtip 7595 and an 85 grain grain point for a total weight of 384 grains. Rest is a Trophy Taker Shakey Hunter and I'm using a string loop. As a starting point the centershot was at 3/4 and the nock point was visually just about square. I started at 5 yards. Shot 1 was the first shot indicating that the nock point was low and that the rest needed to move towards the riser. Shot 2 the nock point was still low but the centershot suggested the rest was now a hair too close. I lowered the rest and put the centershot back to the starting point. Shot 3 looked good to me. Changed the paper and confirmed at 5 yards. Then came up close to be sure 2-3 feet away. The centershot is just about exactly at 3/4 and the nock point is a bit above square but no more than a 32nd. The nock point is a good bit lower than the Outback for example and centershot a good bit further from the riser. If there is an easier bow to tune, I haven't seen it. I continue to shoot the XT and it is growing on me. Part of the problem I'm experiencing is that I'm not used to a bow this accurate. It actually hits where the pin is, versus hitting in the general area. I need to work on follow through. I think a good bit of shooting at the longer ranges will really help me to learn this bow.
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Post by Buckfever on Dec 27, 2005 22:36:12 GMT -5
www.limbsaver.com/limbsaver/archery/modsys.aspxI took the stem off and put 2 in front an one in back, I really like the weight right under the grip. Talk about completely changing the character of the bow. I really had been prefering my Outback up to this point, but the addition of this stab changed that it a hurry. The addition of this stab has turned the XT into an absolute tackdriver. This thing shoots like a target bow now.
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Post by Buckfever on Dec 29, 2005 20:18:15 GMT -5
I guess I should have left it alone I mean with the new stab the XT shoots better than any damned bow I've ever shot, holds like a target bow rock solid. So like an idiot I put the new stab on the Outback. Damn!!!. I left it on the Outback and will hunt with it. It's as if the pin doesn't move at all. So I ordered another Limbsaver Modular. When that comes in, I'll get to comparing them again, and the war will begin and the battle will rage, till a victor emerges. LOL
I'll probably throw my shoulder out.
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 15, 2006 21:13:16 GMT -5
Alright so now I have both bows tuned to arrows that they're spitting out clean. I sighted in the XT and tomorrow I'll sight in the Outback at 13.5 yards and we'll start shooting some spots and tally up how they compare over the course of the next few weeks.
Let the games begin.
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 15, 2006 21:34:18 GMT -5
Okay so this is the target face I'm going to use: I'll shoot the Outback on the left three circles and the XT on the right 3 circles. I printed out 50 sheets. I'll score the white an X, anything the black a 10 and a miss is a 5. What do you guys think?
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 16, 2006 23:41:43 GMT -5
I got to shooting the XT side by side with the Outback tonight, after not having shot the Outback for 2 weeks. At the first shot the Outback sounded loud, after that it wasn't as noticeable. The XT is a very quiet bow. I still very much enjoy shooting the Outback. And the thing that I noticed is the concentrated mass weight seems to help it. So just now I added the stem to the XT and that brought the feel of the XT closer to the Outback. Tomorrow I'll bring the Brass dampeners from the office and see how that little bit of extra weight feels. Comparing the spots shooting about the same still, just more X's with the XT.
I'll start the comparison in earnest tomorrow.
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Post by eshoremd on Jan 17, 2006 5:59:05 GMT -5
i really think you should get a trykon too. ya know....just to be fair
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 17, 2006 9:04:57 GMT -5
:-) I know the whole of it is rather anal, but I think that for some fellow just coming into this or even relatively new, that this comparison illustrates characteristics of bows that come into consideration when selecting one and aspects of a bow that we can tweak in order to achieve optimal performance.
That said I think that it is very generous of you e.shore that you're picking up the Tribute and the Trykon to do a thorough comparison, in order to present the findings for the benefit of the members here. I know you're kind of shy about these kinds of things, but some things need to be said.
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Post by eshoremd on Jan 17, 2006 9:55:57 GMT -5
ill do whatever i can i am going to check out the tribute at 1pm thursday. going to be an expensive visit.
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 17, 2006 17:28:58 GMT -5
First round Outback spanks the XT. Three arrows at a time, broken up into 2 sessions for 24 arrows each. 12X's for the Outback, 10X's for the XT Zero Fliers for the Outback, 3 fliers for the XT
At this point I'm going to suspend the competition as a no Contest and wait on the ACC's 3-71s and see if that helps the XT.
It's not even fair at this point.
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Post by Buckfever on Jan 17, 2006 18:37:51 GMT -5
So I went ahead and put the XT back in tune with the Goldtips and it seems to be shooting better. So I'll repeat this competition in the next day or 2. Might be the skinny arrows, we'll see if that makes a difference.
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