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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 8, 2006 16:32:05 GMT -5
What do you think works best for producing bigger and genetically stronger bucks, antler restrictions or limiting the amount of antlered tags ? I have lots to say about this and will chime in as answers come in ( if anyone decides to post lol) . I'll start by saying I don't like the AR method  . |
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Post by eshoremd on Sept 8, 2006 16:48:22 GMT -5
both together works best! ;D if i had to pick id choose the one buck tag per state.
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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 8, 2006 17:00:25 GMT -5
so why do you think both together would work well  I need a reason before i pick it apart ;D |
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Post by Buckfever on Sept 8, 2006 17:42:34 GMT -5
"What do you think works best for producing bigger and genetically stronger bucks, antler restrictions or limiting the amount of antlered tags"
That's a trick question, neither of the programs you mention lead to that.
Probably the only program that would actually lead to that is earn a buck and limiting the amount of antlered tags.
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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 8, 2006 18:31:57 GMT -5
I did word it wrongly what i meant was what do you think works best to produce bigger racks. genetics can't be changed , they either got em or they don't. What would lead to older mature bucks? antlers restrictions or limited buck tags and which would you prefer and WHY ? |
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Post by tailnbone on Sept 8, 2006 19:08:47 GMT -5
Antler restrictions would lead to bigger racks.....naturally. The bigger rack bucks would be more dominant forcing the smaller rack bucks away from the does during the rut. The more the dominant bucks breed, the better quality of the offspring I would guess.
I suppose limited buck tags would just mean more bucks to hunt but of what quality and size? JMO.
If I had to pick one out of these two choices I would have to opt for antler restricions.
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Post by eshoremd on Sept 8, 2006 22:46:24 GMT -5
i like the antler restriction better but then you have people shooting just undersized deer and blaming the system. when i was in greenriver every little mom and pop store i went in had a group of old guys sitting there drinking coffee. on more than one occasion i overheard guys complaining they couldnt tell if the deers rack was so wide. actually im changing my answer to antler spread. theres too many people that only shoot 1 buck a year and that buck is more than likely 2.5 or younger. 1 buck tag wouldnt help as much.
go back to physically checking in the deer
earn a buck
15" antler restrictions
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Post by eshoremd on Sept 8, 2006 22:53:28 GMT -5
but to answer your first question rick. to me antler restictions are great but that doesnt stop someone from shooting multiple mature deer. we dont need one guy OR GIRL taking 12 monsters statewide. do we? i mean....id like to but we really dont need it.
with both you stop the majority of young bucks under 2.5 from being taken and you stop hunters from taking multiple mature deer. leave a few for the other guy. ME!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 8, 2006 23:15:37 GMT -5
Antler restrictions would lead to bigger racks.....naturally. The bigger rack bucks would be more dominant forcing the smaller rack bucks away from the does during the rut. The more the dominant bucks breed, the better quality of the offspring I would guess. I suppose limited buck tags would just mean more bucks to hunt but of what quality and size? JMO. If I had to pick one out of these two choices I would have to opt for antler restricions. You live in Ohio and can't see what a 1 buck a year program does do you think if they simply had antler restrictions and let you shoot more than 1 buck, it would be better ? man i sure wish work was good up that way and my wife would move back north . You live in the midst of big buck country ( which by the way is like that because of a good genetic base and a 1 buck program) your very lucky ;D |
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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 8, 2006 23:21:15 GMT -5
antler restrictions has its ups and downs but science has already proven it to not work well . I guess i need to know what would be the best way to get more mature bucks, thats the key to big antlers imo. |
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Post by ncboman on Sept 9, 2006 0:46:01 GMT -5
antler restrictions has its ups and downs but science has already proven it to not work well . The best trophy hunting I've ever been into was where antler restrictions were in effect and STRICTLY ENFORCED.  I have never before or since seen such a concentration of big bucks. Absolutely amazing considering the nonstop heavy hunting pressure but the bucks countered by being almost totally nocturnal. |
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Post by tailnbone on Sept 9, 2006 8:28:53 GMT -5
[/quote]You live in Ohio and can't see what a 1 buck a year program does do you think if they simply had antler restrictions and let you shoot more than 1 buck, it would be better ? man i sure wish work was good up that way and my wife would move back north . You live in the midst of big buck country ( which by the way is like that because of a good genetic base and a 1 buck program) your very lucky ;D[/quote] I think a 1 buck a year program does do some good, atleast it restricts a hunter from killing multiple bucks in a season. I know alot of hunters who travel to one of the states surrounding Ohio just so they can have a chance at getting 2 bucks a year instead of just 1. If this weren't the case and Ohio allowed more than 1 buck I think alot of hunters would just be happy staying in Ohio and hunting, possibly taking 2 or 3 nice bucks.......the trophies would soon diminish. It seems the buck to doe ratio is kinda unbalanced even though there is a 1 buck limit. Atleast in the areas I hunt. Seems no matter where I go there might be 1 - 2 bucks in a herd with 20 doe or so. I did see 3 bucks with about 20 doe one time about 3 years ago though. Maybe alot more hunters travel from around the country and come to the big buck state each year and end up taking a buck instead of a doe. I guess I would if I was traveling out of state and that was my mission. lol. As far as work goes here in Ohio, depending on what you do for a living, the housing industry is booming around mid-central to the northeast part of the state. Alot of subdivisions going in everywhere. I think everybody and there brother went out and got a van and purchased ladders and threw on top of them because thats all you see traveling down the road anymore. And it's still hard to find a good dependable contractor that will be there when he says he will be there....because they're so busy. I have heard the numbers of people that left Ohio in the past 5-10 years due to lack of work. They moved south or wherever. This state has lost alot of industrialized work but construction seems to still be going strong..........but who knows for how long...... |
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Post by ARO on Sept 9, 2006 15:53:02 GMT -5
think about this, if there was a one buck limit per year, and you shot a nice buck in september, your season would be done! this thing that you look foward to for 7 months, done the first week, now your stuck sitting at home on the couch, watching leave it to beaver reruns until the following september. IMO antler restrictions would be a much better way to go.
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Post by freedomrules3 on Sept 9, 2006 17:05:13 GMT -5
think about this, if there was a one buck limit per year, and you shot a nice buck in september, your season would be done! this thing that you look foward to for 7 months, done the first week, now your stuck sitting at home on the couch, watching leave it to beaver reruns until the following september. IMO antler restrictions would be a much better way to go. how can you say you would be done you have the choice to pass on the buck, if you choose to take it then your done shooting bucks. you still have plenty of hunting left, they just don't happen to have antlers. I certainly don't hunt exclusively for bucks and if I know before season I only get 1, shoot it on the first morning , then so be it , I made my choice. your sounding like you only hunt because you can shoot bucks I don't like antler restrictions because certain bucks will never meet the criteria to be taken. it also causes lots of controversy. how do you restrict them ? width , heighth, points? points certainly doesn't insure a more mature buck population, width is too hard to tell if its 14 1/2 or 15 " wide and if someone shoots an illegal buck , they either let it lie or never tag it anyway , so your back to the old regs. height i figure is just silly and it also wouldn't get you more mature bucks. of coarse anything is better than letting everyone get 6 buck tags imo. A 1 buck a year method with choice of weapon is the best and fastest way to more mature bucks. Ohio and KY have convinced me of this. You know ahead of time exactly what you can and can't shoot. Its silly to say your season would be over when you know ahead of time its just 1 buck. you chose to end it if your only interested in horns. I've yet to kill a buck that was even close to being as good on the table as a doe. besides Leave it to Beaver is followed by Andy Griffith and then Gilligan comes on, lets not forget The Flintstones |
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Post by tailnbone on Sept 9, 2006 20:51:29 GMT -5
A 1 buck a year method with choice of weapon is the best and fastest way to more mature bucks.[/quote] With a 1 buck a year tag a hunter has a choice to make his mind up at the start of the season to either take any buck that comes along or hold out for the trophy. Considering the cost of a deer tag + an Ohio hunting license, cost of equipment, expenses, etc., I would say the average hunter, if going for buck only would take any buck that comes along...no matter how big or how small......Some hunters get lucky and bag a big rack buck. Good for them. But not everybody is out there hunting for the big rack buck.....some people still need to provide for their families and put meat on the table. Some hunters just like the taste of venison. In this case they would take a doe or any buck. In this day and time I would think there are still alot of hunters providing for their families......it's alot cheaper by the pound than beef. Having said this, are there more genetically enhanced bucks killed at a younger age that could be big rack bucks if they had matured?......Are there more genetically basket rack bucks killed so that the big rack bucks can prevail? Who can answer this this question? Freedom...Your original question was: What do you think works best for producing bigger and genetically stronger bucks, antler restrictions or limiting the amount of antlered tags? Now you got me thinking and now that I think about it...it's neither of the two. Depending on your geographical location, hunting pressure, number of hunters, agriculture, terrain, food sources, number of deer per square mile, etc......the only way to be able to produce bigger rack bucks is to close the buck season all together for about 5 years and make it doe only. That would do it for sure........but nobody wants that to happen. I know I don't. JMO. |
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