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Post by freedomrules3 on May 2, 2006 21:59:21 GMT -5
ok year after year i keep seeing tons of jakes yet the following year most flocks only have one mature bird. where the hell do all those jakes go? the last few years i've been to places loaded with jakes only to have the place loaded with jakes again the following year. shouldnt these places have more mature birds running around? why arent i seeing them if so  . this has bothered me for the last few years. its like i say to myself" last year i saw 8 jakes there, should be loaded with 2 year olds" yet i go and i see a few but still alot of jakes .  |
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Post by jplittlebuck on May 4, 2006 19:37:00 GMT -5
intersesting point, like you said, logic would tell you, a large pool of juvinial birds one year, usually has me excited of the prospect of a large amount of adult gobbler's the following spring, and for the most part, most states fish and game agency's do base the reports on that simple fact, and from my observation, it usually holds true, just not all the time, why is that?? i just dont know,,
we could draw conclusions that it just might be coincidance, and those first year adults moved over to diferent habitate, posibly an area that seems to consitantly hold jakes, may be closer to hen nesting areas, and more prone to brood rasing,
i dont think this is posible if an area has a large crossection of terrain structure,
2 year olds would show up somwere, especially as dominance phase starts to astablish,
cant be predation, the jake bird would be the first to go, i dont know Rick, its a good question, and one i have noticed before, and been puzzled and very dissappointed too.
having acsess to alot of property's in a such area, and really searching them out, is about the only thing i can think of to do,
because they will move out to the most desirable habitate, and they are definantly not one bit territorial.
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txm
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Post by txm on May 5, 2006 11:34:43 GMT -5
My management with turkeys is with Rios, but I don’t think that Eastern would be much different.
The jakes have a high morality rate for the first 18 months.
They are not accepted by the hens or the mature gobblers and try to associate with anything that seems friendly.
They are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
They also tend to move into unfamiliar areas once the hens start breeding and nesting and this makes them venerable to predators.
They are the easiest turkey to ambush.
On many ranches at least four of ten will die before they are 18 months old and in some areas I have seen seven of ten not make it.
I have a call in for the leading biologist in the study of game birds in Texas for his input and should here from him as soon as he in from a study that he is conducting.
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Post by freedomrules3 on May 5, 2006 17:47:22 GMT -5
That probably makes more sense . I just know that in a few places the last few years have been full of jakes . the following year i'm expecting lots of 2 year old or more birds and seem to find tons more jakes again . just something i have wondered about in my brief 4 year turkey hunting escapades . let me know what he has to say. |
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. this has bothered me for the last few years. its like i say to myself" last year i saw 8 jakes there, should be loaded with 2 year olds" yet i go and i see a few but still alot of jakes . 
